Ko Da Hyeon talk with prof. Karwasz about falling pendulum

고다현 Ko Da Hyeon (KDH) 

Hello professor, I'm ko da hyeon, Who ask a question. I'm very nice to meet you and your lecture is very interesting. Despite my troble English language skill, thank you for your answer. But I wonder that you understood my question because of my English language skill. So I want to tell you my question detailedly. I heard that in no gravity, object 's movement is constant velocity or stop. In your experiment, the square was dropped when pendulum went up as it can, which its velocity is zero. And, my question is what happens when pendulum's location is middle. I expect that when it drops very very long time, it will turn like circle because it has velocity. (...)


Grzegorz Karwasz (GK)

Dear Ko Da Hyeon,

there is no gravity, if objects FALL freely, like a lift, when a rope is broken.
You can find films from today's lesson at http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/nowa_strona/?q=node/586#1
and
http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/nowa_strona/?q=node/586#2

The pendulum is stopped in its motion inside a falling frame, because it was launched in the moment that it was not moving (in the moment of the maximum angle). Therefore, the ball is not moving any more as pendulum, but falls freely.

What happens if we leave the frame fall in the moment that the pendulum is vertical? There are two cases: if we do it with pendulum not moving, the ball will simply fall down vertically.

In the second case, i.e. with the pendulum moving, in the central point the ball has horizontal velocity. When the frame starts falling, there is no force acting on the ball from the ROPE of pendulum. But the ball has horizontal velocity which will be preserved. Still, on the ball there is also the gravitation acting - so its movement will be like throwing objects horizontally. Without rope the trajectory would be parabolic. But the rope will limit this parabolic movement.

Tomorrow late afternoon in Europe (it means late evening in Korea) my collaborators will make films and put as
http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/nowa_strona/?q=node/586#3
and
http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/nowa_strona/?q=node/586#4

You can also find both today's lessons at the same address:
http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/Gunsan/Physics/Physics_Fun1K.pdf
http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/Gunsan/Physics/Physics_Fun2K.pdf

So, please wait till tomorrow evening to see new films and write me again.
With greetings

Grzegorz Karwasz 


GK

Dear Ko Da Hyeon,

I am back in Poland. Flying back in the aeroplane I meditated on your question: You are right, if pendulum starts falling when it goes through the middle point, it should make a FULL circle.

Unfortunately, it is not easy to show. On the page
http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/nowa_strona/?q=node/586
in few minutes you will see the films made by my collaborators.

Two last of them 

http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/nowa_strona/?q=node/586#3
and
http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/nowa_strona/?q=node/586#4

are done following your question: with the pendulum in the middle.
The first one, with pendulum not moving is OK - it is hanging vertically.
The second, with pendulum passing through the middle is somewhat wrong: the pendulum does not make a full circle. It goes to the left but this is NOT a full circle. This is because the fall is NOT totally free: the gravity force pulls down the frame, but it also pulls up the rope on the other side. So the acceleration of the fall is not "g", but less. In next days we will try to make more films on this.

Congratulation again for your very wise thinking
Best regards

Prof. Grzegorz Karwasz


KDH


Dear professor Karwasz,

I'm sorry to be late. I was in test.
I got a good grade in physics!

Thank you for sending page with film. I want to be check that I understand right.
You say, the reason that the full circle can't be made is that the rope receives force. Is it right?
I wonder the force pulling up the rope.
In your sentence (: the gravity force pulls down the frame, but it also pulls up the rope on the
other side), is 'it' the gravity force?

Can the gravity force pull up? Did you say reaction? Or inertial force or air resistance?
Then, can we experimet this in space? I want to think more but I can't imagine how it will go.

Thank you for your responce very much!

It help me understand physics more, greatly.

With best regards,

ko da hyeon. 


GK


Grzegorz Karwasz

Dear Ko Da Hyeon,

congratulation for the good mark in Physics.

Again you asked very good questions. The rope receives the force - yes! The point that makes this force is the frame, where the rope is attached. It comes from 3rd principle of Newton: the ball tends to fly left (it has velocity to the left), pulls the rope, the rope pulls the frame. The frame has its (big) mass, so it does not follow the trajectory of the ball: it pulls the rope and than the ball.

We will try to make some arrows on the film on Tuesday.

The same with the other part of the rope that is used for pulling up the frame.
The gravity pulls the frame down, the frame pulls down the left part of the rope, and both them pull up the rigth part of the rope. Again - on Tuesday some arrow on our films.

Congratulations again
prof. Grzegorz Karwasz 


GK


Dear Ko Da Hyeon,

sorry for not writing earlier, but with the beginning of academic year in Poland I have a lot of work with my Polish students.

My collaborator, Mr Krzysztof Służewski, made the film with a short pendulum in falling frame.
It is under address:
http://dydaktyka.fizyka.umk.pl/nowa_strona/?q=node/586#5

As you supposed, the motion of pendulum with a falling frame (without the rope on the other side) is CIRCULAR motion, with CONSTANT velocity.
Mr Krzysztof made the film slow, so you can see this constant velocity of rotation, while the falling frame ACCELERATES.

You were very intelligent asking this question and INSISTING on your IDEA. Congratulations! and say to your parents that I made you personal congratulations.

Later today (it will be night in Korea) I will put some pictures on internet from our lecture.

Have a nice week!
Prof. Grzegorz Karwasz


KDH

Dear Prof. Grzegorz Karwasz,
 

Thanks to both of you and  Mr Krzysztof Służewski for films.
It is very interesting that the way proves constant velocity.
I moved so much because although you are in busy, you answered my question, which have good quality.
Thank you again for your kind. And could you send my thank you to your collaborator, Mr Krzysztof Służewski?
I was very excited and waiting your mail, when I send and receive email.
It is my great motivation to start physics in earnest.

Thank you very much!

ko da hyeon